Comments on: Proposition 8: A Poll

By: Scott

Scott — Tue, 11 Nov 2008 17:54:14 +0000

“A marriage is a covenant before God.”

Only among Christians afaik. That puts us in the minority.

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By: bradmc

bradmc — Tue, 11 Nov 2008 15:52:21 +0000

Homosexuality is a sin. A marriage is a covenant before God. Ero why would you make a covenant before God to sin?
God loves homosexuals and he loves all sinners. He died for me while I was still a sinner.

God established marriage and we should all honor it better than we have as a nation.

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By: Scott

Scott — Tue, 11 Nov 2008 15:29:00 +0000

“It really comes down to a belief by conservative Christians (and others) that homosexuality is against God’s will. ”

Plenty of things that are “against God’s will” that aren’t codified in to law. Why choose this one? I think I can tell you why. Because the Christians who are voting against this aren’t gay and the homosexuals make a good scape goat for whatever social ills you want to tack on them. If that is your sole criteria for not recognizing gay marriage then a) you’re ignoring the Constitution and b) you’re ignoring divorce (also against God’s will).

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By: Hayden Tompkins

Hayden Tompkins — Tue, 11 Nov 2008 03:35:40 +0000

Whoops, I got confused by the layout. I agree with Joe, not Laurie.

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By: Shannon

Shannon — Tue, 11 Nov 2008 02:14:07 +0000

I do not support prop 8 and I think marriage should be legal between a gay couple. Being gay is not a choice, it’s biology and science. Why then should a person not be allowed the same rights? I feel sorry for people that are so closed minded that they want to control another person’s life and happiness that way and who use the bible as an excuse/weapon to force their ignorance onto others.
I have enjoyed 15 years with my husband and I would not deny that right or opportunity to anyone. I think anyone that could is really sad and I don’t see how they can find peace with themselves.

By: Tyler @ Building Camelot

Tyler @ Building Camelot — Mon, 10 Nov 2008 23:03:16 +0000

No worries @Kevin

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By: Joe #2

Joe #2 — Mon, 10 Nov 2008 21:08:20 +0000

Proposition 8 made simple:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vI-GjWY-WlA

By: Russ

Russ — Mon, 10 Nov 2008 21:02:09 +0000

I think a lot of this boils down to semantics. What “marriage” are you referring to?

If we’re talking of the Christian definition of marriage, I have to support it. Christianity, as mentioned above, does not support homosexuality. Christianity is not obligated to recognize a gay union. If a Christian group came out and said “We will not recognize a gay marriage”, they would have my full support.

However, here is where the problem stems - what about a marriage in a strictly legal sense (ie. a government-recognized civil union with benefits and obligations)?

Scenario: my wife and I were married by a High Priestess of the Pagan/Wiccan religion. In the eyes of Christianity, our marriage is not recognized (at least, according to the ministers I’ve spoken with). However, we are legally married all the same.

Why can a gay couple not perform a pagan marriage or handfasting, which has no objection to homosexuality, and be granted the same legal rights and responsibilities my wife and I currently share?

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By: Kevin (ReturnToManliness)

Kevin (ReturnToManliness) — Mon, 10 Nov 2008 20:43:40 +0000

My bad Tyler. Laurie was talking about this. I agree with Joe…not Laurie.

Cory, you are right. However, it is very difficult to understand why people are against this. It was like the constant nagging of “Who is Barack Obama?” thing. It was very difficult to hear that discussion over and over again and not to think about ulterior motives. It was a way to paint a picture without using hate speech and being so overt.

Not saying there is hate in the Prop 8 argument, but it comes across that way. It comes across as intolerant. But the folks on my side of the argument have to be careful not to jump to this conclusion off the bat.

It is VERY important to understand the other side - not necessarily agree - just understand their position. Once there is understanding, then there might be common ground found. If there can be common ground (anywhere), then we can get to reconciliation.

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By: Cory H.

Cory H. — Mon, 10 Nov 2008 20:27:01 +0000

The thing that I find interesting is that the terms used to define traditional marriage are labeled as hate speech. A state employee in California was recently fired for using the term “natural family.” A friend of mine has been ostracized in her office for the mere fact that she is a Mormon and Mormons are Pro-Prop 8.

There is plenty of hate speech (and action) on both sides. It’s not like Mormons or Catholics are standing outside of the sacred places frequented by the gay community and protesting.

Can a discussion take place without resorting to name calling or saying the other side is full of hate?